Showing posts with label Payne. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Payne. Show all posts

Sunday, May 23, 2010

The Civil War… in Oklahoma? ~ Part 4

It is unknown which route was taken for the exodus. It could have been the route by Twin Mountains or the route along Black Beaver Road. Because Chisholm had a trading post at Council Grove and he returned there to Indian Territory at the end of the war with goods, probably via a trail which marked by the Black River Route, it has been assumed this was the route taken. Either way it is clear the confederates moved the "loyals" to the furthest west point of Indian Civilization. Pleading for reinforcements were going on at Beaver Creek after the Yahola exodus.

A spokesman for the "loyal" Creeks spoke at the end of the war with the US government explaining that they tried to keep their safety by moving west. Eight years after this a US agent to the Cherokees informed the commissioner of Indian Affairs "They tried to avoid a fight, to make their way peacefully to the Union army in Kansas by a far western route."

In the late 1930's elderly Creeks stated there was a group settled at the mouth of the Deep Fork. James Scott specifically stated there was an immobilization camp there and went on to explain how two camps merged and eventually several camps filled the main camp. Again and again there were statements made that meetings had been set up to make and keep peace, although these stories can't all be believed.

Stories have it that one of the camps had been moved above the "Big Pond" near the head of Big Fork. The "Big Pond" was more south, so it was sure the referenced was to "The Little Deep Fork" for there have been statements made that others had joined this group at the mobilization camp which was at a location called "Slick."

Yohola's camp was found but deserted. There was however a trail left which was in a north westward direction that led to new camp at a place by "Round Mountains" in Cherokee country. Now "Twin Mountains" could be a probable site for the battle. The land had been surveyed and followed the present day Payne-Pawnee County line.

When a full report was made of this, finding the abandoned camp and then locating the new camp, it was never revealed exactly where it all took place. From reading what was written at the time and following locations it seems the route was more north than northwest.

With all of this being on the Payne-Pawnee County line, I can see how stories could have developed from young people who lived in the area. I grew up thinking there was Cherokee blood carried in my father's line, which at this point is unproven. I am anxious to read where my relative comes into the story, whether it is important or not, and to again find out the story of the Cimarron that my father used to tell me. Of course, at the time I was told the story it didn't mean much to me. I have notes on it somewhere (which I will try to locate), but I plan to talk with Dad about this again also.

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 Copyright © 2010 By Cheryl Palmer

Sunday, April 11, 2010

The Civil War … in Oklahoma? ~ Part 2

Sharing my understanding of the this article which was emailed to from a new found cousin. The article is
"The Site of the Battle of Round Hill, 1861 by Angie Debo." I understand this excerpt was taken from "The Chronicles of Oklahoma." 

Annie Heloise Abel published what has been labeled as "the first of her three great volumes" on the Civil War in the Indian Territory. The information she used in this book which was published in 1915, came from Government Archives. This volume also contained a map she reproduced which was drawn by John T. Cox. John was a Special Indian Agent. He made an excellent map which shared how familiar he was with the territory. Opothle Yahola's specific route was detailed on this map, along with where the camps were located. The specific route went across the country and the Cimarron River. The route then partially goes through and around Yale, Cushing, Pawnee and of course the Cimarron River, my families old stomping grounds.(My father told be a story about the Cimarron and his family which I will share at another time.)

The map seemed to settle the location as to where the battlefield (The Battle of Round Mountain) was actually located. The sites had been unmarked and unregarded to this point because there really wasn't any proof as to where they were located. At this stage, Joseph B. Thorburn, the states first historian accepted it and many later historians accepted it also. This included Muriel H. Wright, Grant Foreman and the writer of this article I am going through, Angie Debo. The battle site probably would have stayed at this location except for the researches of a real estate agent, and a young one at that, in Stillwater.

His name was John H. Melton. He was a dealer in farms and a leader of the boy scouts. As a leader of the boy scouts he had traipsed all over the terrain. As a dealer in farms he was aware of the battlefield tradition. He was unaware of the Cox map and the conclusions of the historians, but he began to get affidavits from some of the old settlers. He shared these affidavits with the Payne County Historical Society. The Historical Society felt all avenues should be explored after Melton persisted to they look at the evidence again. The society realized that there still wasn't enough evidence to state exactly where the battle field was. It could be at the Yale site, or it could be at the Keystone site. Finally, a photo copy of a statement by the Confederate Creek Leaders, which had been sitting in files in Washington, came to surface. This was thanks to Angie Debo who made the initial request. Turns out, this document yielded that the Yale site was more than likely where the battlefield was located.

A meeting at the Payne County Historical Society on March 6, 1949 occurred. This meeting was actually a panel discussion which included a couple of Tulsa historians, Mr. Melton, Angie Debo and Miss Wright. No final agreement was reached from discussion. Ola J. Rogers had presented the first evidence that the battlefield was on the Keystone site.

The Society decided upon an extensive search to find additional information. This was announced publicly. Part of the new policy developed by the society included that Angie Debo sum up all of the evidence acquired to that point. 

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Copyright © 2010 By Cheryl Palmer

Saturday, April 3, 2010

The Civil War... in Oklahoma? ~ Part One

Just a short few months into this blog, a cousin found me from a photo I posted of our mutual relative, William Elias Hohimer. We shared information through email for quite some time. I was recently looking at some of the information my cousin J.H. shared with me and knew I was long overdo organizing and posting some of this information. My father, not biological but the man who raised me and I call dad, was born in Yale, Payne, Oklahoma. I grew up believing there is "Cherokee Blood" in the family, and that the family lived on Indian Territory there in Oklahoma.

One of attachments which was sent to me was "The Site of the Battle of Round Hill, 1861 by Angie Debo." I understand this excerpt was taken from "The Chronicles of Oklahoma." My cousin said he found this on the internet. Upon reading the first page of twenty pages, I realized this was where my father was born and spent a good portion of his childhood. The article speaks of Indian Territory in Oklahoma, and the Civil War.

I may have mentioned before that history was not one of my favorite subjects in school. Along with a lot of other people dates, names and places didn't matter much to me. That was unfortunate because now I have so much to learn. I am sure there are many of us in the same boat. Names and dates just weren't exciting. I am not sure if even a story back then would have meant much to me. Back in those days I was only interested in the here and now.

The Civil War, as far as I remembered, happened in the eastern part of the U.S., the North verses the South, the Union verses the Confederacy. Never in my wildest dreams did I have even an inkling that any part of this war was fought in Oklahoma. According to this article Oklahoma was not only in the Civil War, but suffered the most as far as human tragedy. I am going to relate the story from this article in several posts, to help me better understand and to share with those who may be interested.

The US relinquished Indian Territory in Oklahoma as soon as the war broke out and the Confederacy ended up taking this area over. Most of the Indian tribes went with the new government but you know that there are always rebels, right? Opothle Yahola became the leader of those Indian rebels who didn't want to follow suit. They developed a camp site and then were attacked by Texas confederates and Indians. The rebel group fled to the protection of the Kansas Union where they were held with "indescribable privations until Federal troops recaptured the Indian Territory.

Three battles were fought in this area, the first in 1861. It was called "The Battle of Round Hill" or "The Battle of Red Fork." The third battle is when the rebels fled to Kansas. Years later these battles were also known as "The Engagement at Round Mountain."

What is now Yale, Oklahoma had a land rush in 1893. The white settlers of that time developed a tradition that these battles had been fought on their land. The Twin Mountains were just west of Yale, and just north of the Pawnee County line was where a plow overturned and left what could have been debris of a battlefield and an Indian camp. The state's first historian, Joseph B. Thoburn stated "this battlefield was probably within the present limits of Pawnee or Payne Counties."

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Copyright © 2010 By Cheryl Palmer

Tuesday, January 5, 2010

Tombstone Tuesday ~ William E. Hohimer

William E. Hohimer was born March 1, 1846 in Benton Missouri. He passed away May 7, 1932. He is buried in Lawson Cemetery, in Yale, Payne, Oklahoma. This is my second great grandfather.

Supposedly, the name Hohimer is altered from the German name Hochheim. My research doesn't go back to the name variations yet but then it hasn't gone back to Germany yet either.

William was married twice. His first marriage was to Margaret Catherine Woodward. Together they had seven children. Margaret and three of their children died of typhoid fever. Margaret passed away in 1879. William then married Louvina Shouse with whom he had one more child. My line follows the children of William and Margaret.

William had a fairly long life having lived until he the age of 86. He was a private in the 17th Kansas Infantry and received a pension . Watch for more about William!

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